If HongKong ‘is’ a part of china because it ‘was’ a part of china, should England be “returned” to…

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The website content argues that historical territorial claims, such as Hong Kong's relationship with China, should not dictate current political status, drawing parallels with European history and emphasizing cultural and self-identification factors.

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The article challenges the notion that Hong Kong has always been and should always be part of China, pointing out that before 1841, Hong Kong was under the Manchurian Empire, and the People's Republic of China (PRC) did not exist. It suggests that adhering to historical geographical boundaries could lead to absurd claims, such as European countries being part of Italy due to the Roman Empire, or Eastern European countries being permanently under Russian rule. The author asserts that modern nationhood should be based on cultural identity, the will of the people, and their aspirations rather than ancient territorial claims. The piece also criticizes the idea that linguistic and racial homogeneity should determine political unity, arguing that such logic is flawed and could lead to the unification of various English-speaking countries under the UK or the merging of Austria and Switzerland with Germany. The author touches on the Opium War, noting that China also profited from opium trade, and concludes by urging readers to consider the plight of Hong Kongers in their struggle for self-determination against

If HongKong ‘is’ a part of china because it ‘was’ a part of the so-called china, should England be “returned” to Italy (Roman Empire?)

To those who keep saying ‘Hong kong has always been a part of china and it will always be’ — — well you know this is hardly the truth.

Before 1841, Hong Kong was part of the Manchurian Empire, and PRC China doesn’t even exist. If one accepts that Hong Kong was part of PRC as a precedent, it would mean that most countries in Europe should be ‘returned’ to Italy since they were part of Roman Empire. Many Eastern European countries should be under Russian rule forever, since they were part of USSR.

What defines an area is not necessarily its geographical history, but the culture, how they see themselves, hopes and aspirations of a people. The time of kings, emperors and top down politics has passed. In a modern world people should be free to embrace their own destiny and how they wish to interact, do business and be judged by each other.

If you say it was ‘invaded’, when to draw the line? Canton was not part of the Empire in the map once. Tibet was not in china’s map 1000 years ago. Shouldn’t china let Tibet go?

All the independence countries should be ‘returned’ somewhere then?

If a country ruling yours is obviously a tyrannical regime, and you say you have been on the same map once so you have to let them do whatever to you, this is just a slavery thinking.

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As said a long time ago. If you say because we speak the “same language” and we are the “same races” — sorry again but we aren’t. Cantonese and Mandarin are very different languages. To say they are both “Chinese” and Cantonese is just a dialect, it is as non-sense as saying German is a dialect of English, and they are the ‘same’ languages since they are both “European”.

People understand the logic is wrong when applied to the west, but come to Asia, everything non-sense make senses to them.

As of the people (races) most Hong Kongers are Cantonese and mixed races. Not all Eurasian sort of mix but a lot of half south east Asian, half south Asian, or full blood South Asian. Cantonese is a race referring to “Yue” in ancient times, when Chinese are “Han”. The truth is Hong Kongers were told they are Hans, but they mostly aren’t.

And why same ‘races’ has to stuck together? Isn’t it racists?

If the logic of speaking same language should be stuck together, than Australia, America, Canada, UK, New Zealand ,and Singapore etc should all be one country under … the UK? Austria and 70% of Switzerland should be ‘united” with Germany? Most of the south American countries are part of Spain?

I can go on. Opium war yeah, CCP China sold more opium to their people more than the UK. Not that UK was right but chinese loves grabbing this point to talk about but they don’t even know china grew so much opium to poison their own people. （search ‘yan’an and communist yourself. Stop barking ‘where’s your reference’ – There is a thing call Google)

I will make a stop here. Please think about it before standing on china’s side to step on Hong Kongers, who are in a difficult battle now.

(Oh P.S. for those Chinese cyber trolls who keep saying what is the logic here, in this case Northern Ireland should be ‘returned’ to Ireland and Scotland should be independence. Well if the people who lives there want it, than be it! I’m not going to be offended by this but you are being offended by everything that doesn’t belong to you and that you can’t fully control it. Control freaks ….)